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Category: Dating and Relationships

Post 1 by christianguy (Generic Zoner) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 18:59:22

It is quite sad that I have heard no voice of reason regarding relationships on this site! Thus, I'll do my best! There are many things that need saying, so if I rant and ramble a bit, sorry.
First, What's the deal with phone, online and long distance dating????? How can that possibly be equivalent to the real thing? I think people are only setting themselves up for eventual problems! I mean, I could understand if it was someone you knew, and y'all were long distance because ya went to different schools and all that, but to suddenly be "in love" with someone you've never REALLY met is absolutely absurd!!!!!

There, major rant over. lol!
With that said, I will even be so bold as to say that I am not in favor of dating as we know it today. Rather, I feel that courtship is to be desired. There are many solutions to many problems with modern dating that are solved this way. The relationship is not entered in to without some idea that this could be the one. It removes the "random play" of the modern dating scene, which cuts back on emotional pain! Plus, once two people enter in to this type of relationship, that relationship has the chance to grow safely. The family, in this type of relationship is heavily involved, and while the choice of whether or not to marry is not up to the family, they can certainly see things that those in the relationship might not. After all, love is blind, or so they say. But think about it! Think of all the people who really don't like their in-laws. Did they ever really have time to get to know and bond with them? Plus, not to say that a couple could not go out on a "date," but most activity is done with the family. It's a great idea, I think. The couple still gets their time together, but they are not put in to situations where they could compromise their morals!

Now, I just have a few questions...
Where are all the modest girls at? No, not up tight, not prudish, but modest. Both in action and dress! Seriously, I can't even see them, but the idea that so many females dress in such revealing clothing is a turn off. The body is to be seen that way by the husband and him alone!
What ever happened to saving onself for marriage! I know there are those who do, but it seems like this is a foreign idea around here, held by very few. Don't get me wrong. This is a 22 year old guy writing this, so to say that the thought's never crossed my mind is a lie! I can't wait! But, sex has it's place, and that place is within the confines of marriage!!!
Finally, why is it that a lot of people in society who claim to be Christians are so silent on these issues, and follow many of the same trends as the rest of the world?
Okay, 'nuf said! I'm old school, what can I say? But, morals aren't just loose ideas to be folloed, but things one is sure of! They apply to all aspects of life, even and especially to our relationships, both with friends and future spouses. Where are the vallues nowadays?

Post 2 by Susanne (move over school!) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 19:39:04

Whoa... nice way for a newborn zoner to come here an pass judgement on everybody! While I agree that an online relationship can't ever reach the depth or extent of a real one, I don't understand why one shouldn't use the internet as a social forum in which to meet people with whom one might then eventually want to get involved with in real life...

Certainly the kind of courtship scenario and ensuing relationship that you describe has its merits, but I have just a few points to make about them: 1) The ideas of families being involved in a courtship is based on societies in which families live a lot closer together than most modern families do. So, it makes sense if you plan to live with your chosen bride in a sort of "family compound", but if you live like most modern couples, then going to these lengths to get the family involved just means that your courtship procedures and your lifestyle don't match. 2) "The body is to be seen that way by the husband and him alone!" On whose authority exactly do you have that? Why? Unless you are concerned about the woman's safety because she might arouse men to such an extent that they can't control themselves, it just seems to me that *you* are trying to control and possess *her*. The same goes for sex outside of marriage. What, exactly, is so wrong with two people getting pleasure out of being together if no bad intentions are involved and everyone is equally willing, even if they are not married? 3) Just because someone doesn't share your values doesn't mean they don't have any.

Post 3 by Miss Gorgeous (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 19:42:41

Hey, you posted so many loaded questions here. This issue is too broad to discus I don't even know where to start. I have so many things to comment on this topic, but I'm a little bit unsure where to begin. Anyway, I'm not from the United States, but after being here for almost five years and comparing the dating process in my country and the Unites States, I found a very huge difference. Yes, I agree with you on courting. Guys should court a girl first, and become their friend first by getting to know them and helping them out in good or bad situations, so at least you know the person well enough before considering them more than a friend. As they say, love does not happen over night. I have a friend from the Philippines, she is one of my batch mates back from high school. She had a boyfriend and they started out as friends, after years and years of being friends, they decided to be together and until now, they're still together Its already their sixth year now. Here in the United States, it’s very different, some people here only date girls or guys because they find them hot or attractive, other motives include: the person was popular, they want to have sex with the person, they want to change their status from being single to being in a relationship so they can tell their friends that they are not single, they don’t want to be seen alone, and sometimes just because the person was so nice to them they will interpret the kindness and friendship in another way and will rush things with the person.
i'm just saying everyone holds different values and way of thinking, its not the same for every country and not the same for each person living in that place. Are you just talking about how you view today’s styles of dating or are you talking about how people present their moral values in application to dating? Well either way this topic is still too broad. Feel free to agree or disagree to what I posted here. This is not intended make someone mad, its just a response to the board topic, so feel free to respond to this.

Post 4 by Susanne (move over school!) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 19:56:37

Actually, I've got to clarify my stance. What I meant to say about the courtship model is this: In a very family-centered environment, such as in the model where the wife moves in with the husband's family, it makes sense that the family is involved in choosing their offspring's partner. However, most of us don't live in such an arrangement, but rather in a society more focused on individuality. In such a society, it's more important that the couple figure out their compatibility than that of each partner with the other's family. If you personally subscribe to the model that family is really important and it's paramount to you that your wife be one of them, by all means, involve your family in the courtship. But you must understand that this is not the life most people live--most people regard their families simply as the place they come from rather than people among whom they live their lives. If this is the case, it would be unreasonable and superfluous to put so much stock in matching one's partner to one's family. I agree, however, that often one's family members are quite well place to see the potential downfalls of a relationship, so it's a good idea not to totally ignore their advice. I'm merely saying that you can't expect this dating-as-a-family-activity model to work for everyone.

Post 5 by SingerOfSongs (Heresy and apostasy is how progress is made.) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 20:20:48

Oh goody. I'm not sure I've found that many questions like that in one post before. Let's start with my favorite rant:
Who're you to pass judgement on anyone else. So long as people aren't being harmed, it is no business of anyones what 2 (or let's have some real fun to mess with your head), more people do involving each other.
Next, let's tsart from the top, that being your view on online or long distance relationships. First of all long distance relationships are nothing new, they're just in a diffferent form now. One (overused in movies and books maybe but still applicable nonetheless) example is couples separated during wars. In times past they had to communicate by letters, a much much slower way of keeping in contact than todays instantanious comunications. But those relationships still worked out. I know an older lady who met her husband via letters in fact. (I don't know the details, she just mentioned it in passing to me once.) If you want extreme, I think that's it right there. But they had a perfectly good relationship from what she told me.
Frankly, compared to odds like that, online relationships must be tons easier. Not to mention there are multiple couples on this site who've had perfectly good relationships and met right here on this site. So it obviously can work, at least for some people.
Now, that being said, online relationships certainly aren't for everyone, and maybe they should be approached more carefully than a normal in person relationship. Nonetheless, that is up to the people involved So who're you to call it absurd? It seems to me you haven't tried it to have such knowledge.
OK, let's move to the courting idea. First of all on a personal level for myself, I agree with you as far as people should get to know each other first before jumping into a relationshi, though the time to make that decision depends on the people involved. But that's my personal opinion. There are many ways and kinds of relationships out there, as would make sense, considering people are individuals, and there are *lots of us on this earth. And what works for some, won't for others. Also, for the family part of courting, that's not exactly going to work for a lot of people, for a few common reasons. First, as mentioned above, a lot of people move away from their families. Second, and sometimes linked to the first idea, some people have diffferent beliefs than their families, so the person(s) their family would pick for them wouldn't be a good match at all. (I'm one of this group myself.) Third, what about those people that don't even have families?
As for comprimising their morals, I'll just refer you to my first point, and add that what their morals are are *not necessarily *your morals.
I think the whole clothing thing gets nicely covered in the above point and my first point. Come to think of it so does the sex before marriage one too.
To your point about christianity, I'll remind you that not all Christians interpret the bible the same. This being said, I will agree that there are a lot of Christians that do not practice what they preach, one of the severel reasons I left the Christian religion behind.
However, in closing might I suggest when trying to post such questions, you don't go calling a large group absurd right within your first few sentences? It tends to annoy.

Post 6 by christianguy (Generic Zoner) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 20:23:51

Okay, so maybe I came across a bit harsh. Didn't mean to come off so judgemental, but I do have major problems with the dating scene, especially from a moral standpoint.
Also, everything I said was said from a Christian and very conservative perspedctive. Maybe that helps clarify a bit. It's not about controlling anyone, but about what's right and what's wrong. Sex before marriage, wrong! Revealing clothing, wrong, because it can quite easily cause lust, which is a sin. Purity, the way to go!
Thanks for the comments. I know that just because people don't share my vallues, that doesn't mean that they don't have them. Sorry about the confusion. But, even though they came across a bit harsh, I stand by my views. This is not a rebuttal, just clarification.

Post 7 by christianguy (Generic Zoner) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 20:49:17

And I know that the above mentioned courting situation may not work for everyone, but it is still what I would prefer, and was a view that needed voicing. And, if people can make the online thing work, good for them, so long as it actually works. Haven't done the online thing, but tried the distance thing, and it was hopeless! (keep in mind, this is one person's view!) I have just as much right to it as you do to think as you all do.
And as for annoying people in my first few lines, it wasn't intended, but it's gunna happen no matter what you say when it comes to standing for what you believe and voicing concerns that go against the grain of society.

Post 8 by SingerOfSongs (Heresy and apostasy is how progress is made.) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 20:50:32

You say they're wrong. There are many cultures and people who do not agree. It's one thing to live your own life that way, and want to marry someone that holds those views. If you find someone like that, I'll be quite happy for you.
But, no one else is held by what you think is right just because you believe so, and your religion says so, except for those in your religion. There are many religions out there, not to mention the people that have no religion. To paraphrase, judge not, les you be judged.

Post 9 by DancingAfterDark (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 20:55:20

Um. Susanne and Nehemiah pretty much said everything I wanted to say, so I won't repeat it. I will say, however, that I find it slightly insulting when people, particularly those who are supposed to be loving and accepting, claim that others who disagree with their beliefs are 'wrong' and immoral. It's fine to say that you don't personally agree with or support a certain behavior, but to say that it's categorically wrong and impure is a bit much.

Also, the idea of courtship makes me incredibly uncomfortable.

Post 10 by torian princess (The original Blakanadian.) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 21:03:29

I only have one question to ask you. Who are you to say what is wrong and what is right? You can't just say something is wrong and hope everyone will just go along with it. I mean really? You see sex before marriage as wrong, and that's fine, but not everyone shares in that belief. You say it's a sin, but what if your not christian? You say wearing revealing clothing is wrong, but what if it makes a person feel good about themselves?

Post 11 by christianguy (Generic Zoner) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 22:36:42

I didn't say any of you HAD to agree with me. Nor am I judging anyone. I am only expressing my views, which I am freely allowed to do. Just wanted to provide a little balance to an otherwise (in my opinion) one sided look at the whole relationship thing. Seriously, I judge nobody, as I myself am far from perfect, and freely admit it! All I was trying to do was give another perspective. And obviously it wasn't taken so well. lol! Call me narrow minded if you wish! In fact, I'd agree! I am, in a sense! "for wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to distruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it." (Matthew 7)

Okay, I think I've pretty much said enough. I'll leave for the night with this:
One must distinguish between judging people vs judging practices! I'm not judging any individual person, which is what Christ referred to when saying "judge not." However, Christ himself "judged" or spoke about those things that ought not be done. Not a contradiction. Simply a matter of discernment.

Post 12 by Eleni21 (I have proven to myself and the world that I need mental help) on Sunday, 02-Dec-2007 22:41:39

To start with, I am neither a Christian nor a monotheist, so my views do not conform to The Bible or most mainstream religious teachings. That said, I could understand your views about long distance relationships. I've been in one, and now that I have a boyfriend who's near me and whom I see practically every weekend, I could see the difference. However, that doesn't mean that I'm sorry I had one or that I don't agree with them or with even just having fun online, provided both partners are honest and there's no cheating. But courtship and saving myself for marriage I could and would never do, though I do consider friendship and trustworthiness to be an essential part of any relationship and certainly for a romantic/sexual one. I started having sex when I was 19, am now 24 and don't regret it. I'm very concerned with safety, so it's not like I was with every man on the block and unprotected, but I still had and do have my fun, only now it's with one man only, since I have a boyfriend, where before, it was friends with benefits. My view is why should I deny myself a normal part of life? More logically, what if I married a man and he was horrible in bed. One could argue that I wouldn't know what good sex is, since I've never had it with another person, but I think that's a cop-out. Furthermore, what if I marry someone and we're sexually incompatible? We could love each other to death, but the chemistry wouldn't be there and we'd already be married, so it would be a little hard to just say good-bye. I know sex isn't everything but for me, unless something happened afterword that would make it impossible or difficult for my lover to have sex, or unless I already knew about it and decided to go for it anyway, being able to share and enjoy this with my partner would be a very important issue for me when considering marriage. I do think that people should never rush into marriage though, since although I do believe in divorce, I also believe marriage to be an important commitment between two people. Btw, I found it very interesting that this was written by a man. Not trying to pass judgement, but most men don't think this way either.

Post 13 by Twinklestar09 (I've now got the bronze prolific poster award! now going for the silver award!) on Monday, 03-Dec-2007 0:38:38

To Poster 1, I personally agree with what you said actually. To those who felt like he was judging, I didn't think he was judging anyone personally, and neither will I be, but I feel the same way about things.
Although I agree that phone and Internet is a good way to meet new people and to keep in touch with them, I don't get how people can fall in love without having spent time together face-to-face. Actually, I've done that once, being with someone I hadn't met in person, but although he was a nice guy, it felt weird to me or maybe I just wasn't "in love", like with all those emotional good feelings that normally happen with that, and I didn't feel like we really ever discussed when we would meet in person anyway. But yeah, I doubt I would do that again.
I also agree with the courting thing. I like the idea of being good friends first, getting to know and spend time with the guy's family and for him to know and spend time with mine, and I'd also like for us to be able to discuss things like ideas on money, children, and other issues before marriage. (Not that people couldn't do these things with dating, but Somehow I also feel that with the dating, there is the pressure/expectation to have sexual activity happen as well since the couple usually spends a lot of their time alone.)
About modesty, I also agree with that. I don't like wearing short dresses, low-cuts, or anything like that. Also, although I do have sexual thoughts (like most people probably), I do believe in saving sex for after marriage and this includes that I don't believe in using contraception either. Although this is an unpopular belief, thanks for posting it anyway. I don't often start board posts myself, and wouldn't have really thought of starting one like this, and even if it had crossed my mind to post this topic, I guess I would be too worried about how to say it and what others would think. I just don't normally mention my beliefs unless it happens to come up during a conversation or if someone asks. But yeah, it's cool you posted your thoughts on this. There's been similar topics like this anyway, and everyone's always going to have their own beliefs/opinions on everything, which is of course what these discussions are meant for anyway. *smile*

Post 14 by christianguy (Generic Zoner) on Monday, 03-Dec-2007 3:20:30

Yay! Someone who agrees! *big smile*

As for the argument about a partner being no good in bed and finding out about it to late, my philosophy is this:
1. I don't believe in divorce. I want to marry someone who feels the same way. 2. I want to be with someone who has saved herself for marriage just as I am. 3. I can pretty much guarantee that I won't be all that good anyway. So, all of those factors add up to the fact that we'll have a long time to work on it, that it would probably get better, and if not, oh well, there's more than that to love! We'd manage! lol!

Post 15 by Glenja (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Monday, 03-Dec-2007 15:19:46

Some advice from an older Christian, which you can listen to, or ignore as you see fit. Remember what Paul wrote...And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. 1 Corinthians 13:13


If you are going to go out into the mission field, remember, no one wants to be preached at, condemned. If you want others to listen to you, then you need to make sure they know you care about them first...and you have to really care, not try to get by with faking concern.

You can't change someone's mind, only present your ideas, and allow them to consider what you say. If you come across as though you are looking down on them, they will tune you out. I'm not telling you to change your values or beliefs, but to think about how you come across to others. Enthusiasm for your calling is great, but remember Jesus did everything with love.

Post 16 by Chris N (I just keep on posting!) on Monday, 03-Dec-2007 22:14:17

Given the choice between "it'll probably be bad but maybe we can work on it and then maybe not" and "let's see how it is beforehand so we can factor it into our decision", I pick the latter.

Post 17 by mehgcap (Newborn Zoner) on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007 15:56:12

I hardly ever post but figured I would throw in my thoughts.
1. I agree with ChristianGuy on all except the courting thing. I think that if I date the right girl the pressure to compromise my morals will not be there since she will have the same morals.
2. As far as the post about it being unloving to tell people they are wrong, from a Christian's perspective it is the greatest act of love to try to turn people to the Truth.
3. I hate how skimpy clothing, and its implications, has become commonplace. Show me one modern sitcom that does not have innuendos and the like. I can promise it will prove at least an extremely hard search, disregarding the shows on Disney.
I hope I didn't exceed my character count; the counter on here uses dhtml which my braillenote does not support.

Post 18 by forereel (Just posting.) on Tuesday, 04-Dec-2007 19:48:52

I believe poster 1 did a good job posting. Your opinions were nicely written and clear. Online relationships are difficult, but not undoable. I can not fall in love over the internet, I personal must see the person first. I can however become interested in them vary much. About the sex issue a woman that has never had sex really would have to be guided by her beliefs, religious, or other, and if we couldn't try first, then she would have to understand that what we had agreed on before would be followed, or the relationship would fail, so I think sex before is just wiser. I don't expect anyone to agree either. Now the clothes. I have no issue with woman naked, or covered head to foot, and seeing a naked woman is nice, but doesn't drive me to lust. What drives me to lust is her saying to me you may touch, then it's on. Families are vary mixed up these days, so a person must really love a person for them and not there family structure. After your hooked up you only have each other you see. Sex and love are one. I love many females I do not have sex with, but the person I'm having sex with becomes more important. Now if later she had some medical reason she could not give then it would be understandable, but then the love would have to come in to play. I would need to get sexual relief some place, and if it were me then I would grant her this right as well. In closing loving yourself is the first step in taking another into your life.

Post 19 by Miss Gorgeous (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Wednesday, 05-Dec-2007 15:42:39

I think most of the topics that I want to cover has already been posted. But I’ll make some few remarks. First, i don’t agree with online relationships. You really got to get to know the person before saying that you love them. How can you prove that the other person was faithful if you don’t even see each other or never even spent time together. Yes, long distance relationships are okay as long as you spend time with the person occassionally. Second, I also don’t agree with girls that wear revealing clothes. Look, there was this girl in my high. This situation happened a long time ago, but I could still remember. She was wearing skirt on a winter season. Come on now, its too cold, and did she just go to school to get some guys for Friday nights? I think that people put themselves in a situation and then when the result does not fancy them, they blame it on others. Look what will happen to a girl walking late at night wearing a revealing outfit, she is just looking for trouble. I mean I could understand if it was a special event or if she was with a group of friends or with someone, but what if she was alone. If she gets lucky, she won’t be taken advantage of by some random guy. I’m just saying that wearing these types of clothes sends people the wrong message. I’m okay if other people find wearing these types of clothes comfortable, but just be careful. Its really not safe these days so amny young girls getting raped. Its not their fault, but sometimes, they’re just in the wrong place in the wrong time. Okay, I tend to get off topic.
Anyway, third thing I want to mention is about differentiating between love and sex. You can’t say that you already love the person just because you had good sex with that person last night. Love and sex are two different things. I know sex is a part of a relationship, but it does not necessarily mean that when your in a relationship you should have sex with your partner. Yes, it strengthens the relationship, but you got to be emotionally attached first to the person before you think about these things. Trust takes time. Why do you think many people don’t care when they tell bad things about their past relationship? Did they just go into that relationship for physical affection? Was the break up that bad for them to talk negatively toward that person. Clearly, they did not care now, they totally forgot that they used to care for the person. Things didn’t work they way they expected it to be so they forget that they cared about the person. Just in general, that’s just how it is. Its really rare to find people that will not talk about you if things go wrong.
Last, I know that religeon has something to do with how the person percieves things, but it does not have to control everything.

Post 20 by SingerOfSongs (Heresy and apostasy is how progress is made.) on Wednesday, 05-Dec-2007 16:16:15

Hm. I'm not sure I see what the difference you're making between an online relationship and a long distance one is. For myself at least, I see an online relationship as one where people meet online, either decide that they're interested in eache other, then continue from there.
For myself I don't necessarily have a problem with being in an online relationship, with the caveat that I'd want to meet the other person relatively early on in the relationship. I maintaine that communicating online is just another form of comunication, just like the phone or letters, and really should be grouped as a subcategory of long distance relationships.

Post 21 by Miss Gorgeous (I'm going for the prolific poster awards!) on Wednesday, 05-Dec-2007 17:03:44

Yes, your right. I'm just saying that I want to be in a relationship with someone that i already met in person and not someone that i just met online. Its hard to tell whether the person from the other side of the computer is telling the truth or not. My previous post was a bit confusing, I apologize for that.

Post 22 by SFAIdol (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Saturday, 08-Dec-2007 19:40:27

First of all, I'm thrilled with the idea of people meeting online, but they need to be careful when they decide to enter in to the relationship phase. U don't know who the person is except for what they tell u, which may be true or not. I'm sure that some have worked out great, but I hear way too much about the ones that don't. It's something I wouldn't do, let's just say that. I've done the long distance thing, but I met them beforehand. However, it was still difficult. Second of all, I want to wait until after marriage to have sex. I want to do it with someone that I trust and with protection, and I figure that I obviously trust the person if I am married to him. If it's not good enough, well, sex isn't everything. My ex-bf broke up with me, because I wouldn't have sex with him, although he says that it was for another reason. I'm not stupid. When he's asking me y I'm not on birth control and y exactly I want to put it off until marriage, which is also for risk of pregnancy and religious beliefs, that tells me something right there. Third, I'm torn on the family thing. I want bf's to get along with my family, and I want to get along with theirs, since we could potentially be related someday, but I do not like the idea of family members butting in to our business that is supposed to be between us. Finally, I do not like wearing revealing clothes. For one thing, it gives guys ideas they do not need to have, and another, I don't like the way it feels on me.

Post 23 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Sunday, 09-Dec-2007 7:24:42

1. Online can work, but unfortunately you usually only hear the bad stuff. My husband and I met first online. We talked for 8 weeks, and than out of the blue he says "I love you, will you give me your number so I can call and we can talk?" At first I ran like hell. I wasn't looking for a relationship; my last one was awful and hurt even worse, but a friend gave him my number anyways, and we're still together almost 11 years later. We've had our problems, but there it is, and we love each other more than we did 11 years ago. :)

2. If I'd left it up to my family I'd be in a miserable marriage. They hated my husband at first, but now everyone gets along pretty good.

3. I ware what I am comfortable in, and what my husband likes seeing me in. The thing about idiotic guys getting ideas just because he can see a little skin; well, that's a product of our society and the mentality that "boys will be boys"; which I don't subscribe. It also comes from so many getting away with it, so, they think they'll be able to continue to do so, and this sh*t of just a slap on the wrist. Without getting into a debate I'll say that I personally think stronger punishments and some of that crap will be cut down on. Also, just because a girl shows a little bit of skin; that doesn't mean that he has the right to do as he pleases, and if he does, than that's his fault, not hers. Oops, off topic a bit, so, back on topic...

4. Sex before marriage should be left up to the individual, and what they feel is right. Let me ask you a question, if you find a girl, fall in love and then find out she's not a virgin, are you going to dump her? If so, that to me is shallow. We all make choices in life, and some of those choices we may or may not regret later.

Lastly, a comment that I don't want anyone to take wrong, but part of the reason I turned away from christianity is this. The preaching and belief that there is only "one right path".

Post 24 by pisces_dreamer (Veteran Zoner) on Wednesday, 19-Dec-2007 8:51:31

I really dont post regularly but, for what my romantic, dreamy point of view is worth here it is.
first, sex before marage. i will not say whether i am a virgin or not, because it has nothing to do with where my ideals and views come from. i believe, that sex, although physical, or should i say, a physical act, should be about so much more than the end result, sure its not necessary for me to elaborate on what that is. I believe that if you are in love with someone and if he or she is your everything, your world, and the one you wanna be with, at least at the time, because we as human beings do what we think is right at the time, then the experience of making love to that person will be the most magical experience ever, because its the emotional and spiritual connection between two people that makes making love and all that goes with it magical, because the physical feelings such as arousal etc only come from you being atracted to that person's personality or other features about them, in any case, i do not believe, and its only my belief, that its never purely or, should never ever be, purely physical.
now, the revealing clothes issue.
i think, that wearing revealing clothes, in the right situation can be very sexy. although, i would disagree very very strongly on just wearing revealing clothes out to a club or whatever in hopes that maybe, you might get some sexual gratification for your efforts. in this case, i would understand perhaps someone saying, this person was or wasn't good in bed, because there is no connection there. i do believe however, that if there are a guy and a girl who have gone out for a considerable amount of time and are connected emotionally and spiritually, that it is possible for a physical connection to develop, and in this case, revealing clothes and other things like this, could serve to create a very nice atmosphere, because of course, fun is always welcome!
now the last point i will comment on, the family issue. i think that it is nice if a family likes a girlfriend or boyfriend, or even just a friend while we're on the point, but i believe that your gut feeling, as in, your intuition is your bes guide. sure, love is blind, and maybe you wouldn't see certain things, but my argument there is you wouldn't have fallen for that person in the first place if they possessed these unindeering qualities that people see. i'm not saying it doesn't happen, because i know of situations where this is the case, i'm just saying, there must be some good in your partner for you to have fallen for him or her in the first place.
feel free to respond to this
thanks,
pisces

Post 25 by Blind Bigfoot (Zone BBS Addict) on Thursday, 03-Jan-2008 19:52:31

I didn't read anything else in this post accept for the first part. So forgive me if this has already been stated. I was in a so-called "Long Distance Relationship" for about four years. We'd see each other on holidays and almost the whole summer and it worked fine. My girlfriend just moved here in June, had to drive herself from Alabama all the way here which is a long ass drive, and things are great. It just goes to show that long distance relationships should be taken seriously. For the people in them, they are very real and not just something fake. It's a lot better to connect with the person emotionally first instead of the usual first impression crap our society cares about.

Post 26 by Shadow_Cat (I've now got the silver prolific poster award! wahoo!) on Sunday, 06-Jan-2008 19:06:19

Hi, all. the biggest issue I have is with the courtship thing. Yes, I think two people should be friends first before pursuing a dating relationship. that way they can get to know each other without the pressures of a relationship added to that. But I don't like the thing about the family being so heavily involved. That's assuming that each party has a close relationship with his/her family. Not everyone does. Second, if it was up to my family, I'd be dating a sighted man, not a blind one. I guarantee you my family would find something wrong with any blind guy I date, if they thought it would talk me out of dating him. Third, family's perspective is blind. My last boyfriend? My family thought he was golden. They would have had me marry him in a heartbeat. And as it turned out, it was the most destructive relationship I've ever been in, and he walked away when I needed him most.

I started out with the ideal of saving myself for marriage, but soon found that it wasn't realistic. If someone can do it, I have all the respect in the world for them. I couldn't, and so don't judge others on that one, even though I am a Christian.

Post 27 by cattleya (Help me, I'm stuck to my chair!) on Monday, 07-Jan-2008 13:31:21

LOL SD, I got just the opposite. My Mom wanted me with someone blind, but she's learned over time to accept my choice in the matter. *smile* And she's even really starting to like him.

Post 28 by basketballfreakslive (Veteran Zoner) on Tuesday, 08-Jan-2008 1:24:03

wow. umm ok .I would have to agree with Nehemiah and a few others as far as teh long distance relationship thing ges. Who says it has to be long distance. Those of you who know me personailly off zone would know what I am getting at. Answer if your sure its going to work move! As far as the toher questions I don't have time to answer them because I am pretty fucking tired.